Re: "This is MERELY OLD DATA, pay it no mind." New Chat aka "From Freenode to Bob-omb"

[El Duderino]

^^

1st of all no one said anything about anyone getting their IP permabanned if they don't type in their password

2nd these measures are there cause certain members can't keep themselves from posting highly inappropriate content not to disturb anybody

3rd we might not even have to do this if you had done your job in the first place instead of just complaining about other people doing theirs

[zex]

Haha, why do you even lie? So, I didn't get my IP permabanned? I imagined all of it myself, I guess. Sure, obviously I was unbanned after a few mins (or at least that's what they told me, didn't try to come back to test that out, but I assume it was), that doesn't change the fact that it was a highly idiotic measure to set up, imagine if I wanted to go back and there weren't anyone to unban me...

Oh, if we wanna prevent that, why don't we just lock the chat, that way no one will even post anything even close to inappropriate; I mean, if we're gonna go to extremes, why don't we go to the total one?

My job? I am (was) a regular user in the chat with no powers whatsoever, and I wasn't even there to begin with, what's my job supposed to be? What a pathetic argument, so regular users have to clean up the admins' mess?

[El Duderino]

^^
1st You where creating a mess in places you where appointed to prevent such things... so don't complain about other people doing their job...

2nd There are such things as technical difficulties... deal with it... at least you weren't banned just for fun... oh right... that's the sort of thing you did... just see it as a joke...

SMILE !!!

[zex]

Well, if you admins job is to screw up everyone, you really deserve a pat in the back, you're doing an excellent job, very commendable. Y'know, you're having quite many "techincal difficulties" lately, like blocking new signups (what happened to "open site", it's open but not so much since you had to tell someone you wanted a new user because oh we have to approve it, what's this, back to the "2 weeks to analyze if X is worth" era?), blocking the chat to everyone not signed up without even advice (which itself is stupid), holding signups in the queue for days because "oh, no one checked it up". And, nevermind the fact telling people to shut up by PM asking them to stop complaining, I mean, no one can question the lil' admins decisions or what they censor...

Yup, you adminis are doing your job admirably, I have to say, you deserve a round of applause for how you're directing the site lately. No one can do it any better.

Heh, creating a mess? At least I recognized my mistake (which was serious, of course I admitted it) and apologized, unlike some other people here who screw up in ways way worse than mine...

[c03n3nj0]

Some people just need hugs.

[Sonix]

Just my 2 cents but the chat sucks these days. I loved it back when it was a nice chat where we could talk about everything with a bunch of cool people that didn't idle.

edit: yea, the identify rule sucks.
Also, the forums are boring too.

[El Duderino]

@zex: No one has ever been told to shut up unless they where posting inappropriate things, in that case its our job to tell them to stop... and again... had you done your job in the first place maybe we would not have had to run things more tightly... if your fine with cursing and porn and promotion of drug use.. fine... go somewhere where its acceptable... if you think its ok to just stand around and complain when you could have been constructively working together with other people... great... find people who think that sort of thing is ok... but don't go on insulting the people who try to keep this place running... Im not saying we are doing a perfect job but at least we are talking to people and trying to handle things properly... all I've ever see you do is complain, say you know everything better and insult people... so yeah... I bet you would do a so much better job...

[dsister]

1Just my 2 cents but the chat sucks these days. I loved it back when it was a nice chat where we could talk about everything with a bunch of cool people that didn't idle.

edit: 2.yea, the identify rule sucks.
Also, the forums are boring too.

A couple of things.

1. Back when it was a "nice chat" when people didn't idle all the time was when there was 2 or 3 people in there at any given time. And maybe you can do stuff to prevent idlers. I've tried to talk to you several times. Most I get out of you usually is a "hi" then nothing.

In fact. I don't see the problem with idlers. There is usually one or two people in there that are willing to talk if you want to. Whenever I want to talk it's as simple as just saying something myself...

2. How would you know? It was stopped way before you got on, iirc.

[Luinil]

The identify rule is on probation until further notice. It was in effect for all of 20 minutes and then i tossed it until further notice. all bans had been removed. I do not see how that is anything but a technical difficulty.

I also never told anyone to shut up. If someone has a legitimate complaint by all means bring it up. I will do what i can to help. If you are just going to complain about how things have deteriorated then don't say anything, but instead do something to change it.

If all you want to do is bitch and moan, however, then by all means let it out at once and lets get it out of the system and past it. But, if you do that, and don't temper your opinion, I fear things could get out of hand.

[zex]

Oh, dude, excuuuuuse me, obviously such talk is forbidden, I mean, it's not like it's allowed to do an introduction that goes

"I am addicted to videogames, weed, alcohol, sex, porn, movies, the internet, sex and weed... "

Yup, how silly of me. That you're defending such crap is unbelievable, you know for certain that all that talk has always been allowed, f'u'ck it, we've discussed penis lengths with iclim in front of admins and no one said a thing, don't even forget when budda, lestat, sonix and me talked about our "first times", such things have ALWAYS been allowed, then one day your switch flipped, don't know what the prude lady talked to you and you became then "oh, don't talk about this, the HORROR!!!!". So don't even give me that crap that it's fine to have such censorship, sure, you're the admins, you set the rules (and suck at doing so), but don't even try to pretend that it has always been like that because you know that it hasn't, and pretty much every user that has been here for more than 6 months knows that.

All I know is that you two have wanted to instaurate a chat where you can only talk about what you two want, and I'm not even talking about Wes, who, yes, crossed the line a bit, but f'uck it, the prude lady tried to censor us when we were talking about VGC users (that are NOT members of here and never will be) as if she ever gave a f'uck about it (and it's not like she NEVER talked crap about some people from there, ioi rings a bell?), examples like that are dime a dozen of things that you two want to censor know who-knows-why. And yes, you with your censorship and all these stupid changes are making it for the worse, why do you even think budda left (he was sick of being told "don't talk about this, oh, I'm back to idle", or even more clear, why do you think dtewi left if it's not for the "monkey-with-a-banhammer" tendencies of some people...

So fun that you try to put the fault of all what's happening on me...maybe it'd be time to take a look of what you two have been doing lately....

[dsister]

Last time I talked to dtewi that's not why he said he left. In fact iirc he agreed with is ban, but i'd have to log in with j1 to confirm that

Edit: a combination of PMs and wall posts I can say that isn't why he left. I'm not going to say why he left though

[zex]

I don't say that dtewi's ban was unfair, it was technically fair (though obviously harsh), but I'm certain, and he has told me so, that he's angry because the ban was handled horribly, as usual from the one who banned him, with the policy "ban first, ask later", as Savior had done the same if not more to be banned, and he was left unpunished just because the mod couldn't be bothered to read a bit. I know for certain that dtewi was bothered by that

[dsister]

I don't say that dtewi's ban was unfair, it was technically fair (though obviously harsh), but I'm certain, and he has told me so, that he's angry because the ban was handled horribly, as usual from the one who banned him, with the policy "ban first, ask later", as Savior had done the same if not more to be banned, and he was left unpunished just because the mod couldn't be bothered to read a bit. I know for certain that dtewi was bothered by that

It was more the the tipping point, but if you just do a nice wall to wall with him on your wall he spells out pretty clearly why he left, and he basically spelled out the members to me in a couple conversations. And it was clear by his interactions with said people in chat

[El Duderino]

Zex there is a huge difference between having rules and being lenient with them and having no rules at all... and there is a difference between a chat with the occasional (non-insulting) cursing/sex talk and constant aggressive cursing/all out sex talk... you obviously don't see any differences there cause you think its ok to insult other members here whenever you feel like it... Im doing my best to make it right for everyone and all you do continue to complain and insult... I'm sick and tired of hearing you say you know whats best for everyone and you know whats appropriate and what not...

[Sonix]

1Just my 2 cents but the chat sucks these days. I loved it back when it was a nice chat where we could talk about everything with a bunch of cool people that didn't idle.

edit: 2.yea, the identify rule sucks.
Also, the forums are boring too.

A couple of things.

1. Back when it was a "nice chat" when people didn't idle all the time was when there was 2 or 3 people in there at any given time. And maybe you can do stuff to prevent idlers. I've tried to talk to you several times. Most I get out of you usually is a "hi" then nothing.

In fact. I don't see the problem with idlers. There is usually one or two people in there that are willing to talk if you want to. Whenever I want to talk it's as simple as just saying something myself...

2. How would you know? It was stopped way before you got on, iirc.

My bad about the second one. Thought its still active since it says so when you join the chat (Please identify yourself or something)

And no, it wasn't two people. I'm looking at my log from July and I've had a nice chat almost every day, with 3-4 people at least. Ok, that was during the summer vacation, but it was the same story earlier in the year.

[zex]

Zex there is a huge difference between having rules and being lenient with them and having no rules at all... and there is a difference between a chat with the occasional (non-insulting) cursing/sex talk and constant aggressive cursing/all out sex talk... you obviously don't see any differences there cause you think its ok to insult other members here whenever you feel like it... Im doing my best to make it right for everyone and all you do continue to complain and insult... I'm sick and tired of hearing you say you know whats best for everyone and you know whats appropriate and what not...

How do you even dare to say that with a straight face, when you called me out for saying the word "cum" in "a place where there are children", yeah, sure, occassional my ass, you two have been dedicated the last three to six months to censor everything you could.

All I continue to do is to complain because there's no going back now, this was the last straw, I'm going all out now because it's in what I believe and all your pathetic attemps at defend the indefendible aren't gonna change my opinion a single bit, I'm not going back there and I wanted to show what you two did, I endured a lot without complaining, like you telling damkira to stop complaining about the moronic censorship of the word "f'u'ck" in PM, or dtewi's ban (or Savior's no-ban) that was only corrected because I told Mako to do so, or Wessle's first ban that wasn't even posted in the log, clearly against the rules.

I don't know what's best for everyone, I know what's best for me and it doesn't involve any nschat, if you two want to keep handling things like that, be my guest, for sure you won't see me anymore in there...and you certainly will be seeing less and less people too...maybe that way you'll see the total lack of conflict (and interesting talk too) that you find so desirable

[El Duderino]

^^ So you think the only things that held the chat together where cursing and sex talk... great... if those are your two main concernes here I really don't get how you can throw words like pathetic around... fact is these things where always against the rules but when it became to much it was no longer possible to ignore the occasional abuse... such is life, deal with it... just don't complain about other people actually doing their job (something you did the very opposite of)... but let me guess... you know much better how it should be done right ?... you've made that attitude clear enough... I've always tried my best to tell people politely when they said something against the rules and give second chances where humanly possible... I even gave Wessle another chance after some very harsh insults against me... but all I get from you in return is arrogance and insults... thank you very much... if insults and vulgarity are such integral parts of your personality without which you cannot exress your individuality thats fine... but please find a place that embraces these qualities... I have two jobs and I can't deal with this anymore... sorry to have waisted your time...

[dsister]

Perhaps this situation should be taken to the contributor forum. This is hardly the place to be having this discussion, no?

[skeezer]

Perhaps this situation should be taken to the contributor forum. This is hardly the place to be having this discussion, no?

I do not approve.

[zex]

Haha, you keep on throwing that I did a horrible job without even giving a single argument to back it up, except Pichu's issue that, ok it was a mistake, but you keep overblowing specially considering the ban was at first consensuated and I just forgot to remove it. I mean, I must've sucked soooo much as a halfstar since you keep bringing that up to justify all you've done, it's almost as if I'm the responsible of all that's happening.

And excuse me? Became too much? Oh please, you make it seem as if 3 months ago we had renamed nschat to orgychat; just admit it, you flipped a switch and became suddenly a prude that nothing was ever allowed, I mean, before you could see the lady lashing out every insult possible to ioi, but some time ago, no, of course not, you can't talk about poor Seece who you don't even know...of course, it's your prerrogative to do so, but I'm bothered for the fact that you keep on lying to make your argument sound better. Doesn't surprise me though, given that you started it with a lie trying to convince me that there were no IP bans when I had suffered one myself, maybe it's because you can't have any arguments yourself that you keep on making things.

And I'm not a contributor or at least I don't consider me one, so forget about carrying this to another forum, what, are you afraid that people will read this?

[Luinil]

Zex, where were you when things started to get out of hand? did you not have the power to curb it then?

Where were you when problems arose that you felt weren't problems?

All of those things that you listed in the part that was "cool" were ALL AGAINST THE RULES. The enforcement issue was why you and others were brought in to help for a time. If any of those things happened while i was there, I was obviously AFK. I cannot be responsible to take action if i do not see something, or it is not brought to my attention.

You were taking part in things that were against the rules, so now that we are trying to enforce them you are bitching. If you want anarchy, this is not the place to have it.

The admins are not always available, but we try to be around as much as we can be. We brought you, pichu, and dsis into the fold to help with enforcement. It was under YOUR watch that things got out of hand to a point that we had to step in and remove your power and take a heavy handed role in all things.

Also, this monkey-with-a-banhammer will stand behind and defend my actions regarding the banning of dtewi at that time. I reread it all and savior also got in the mudslinging, but several times tried to leave and never started it any of those times. dtewi did and exploded. I removed him for a time for that. If you have a problem, go cry in your pillow.

[El Duderino]

Your being banned was not intentional zex... other people got banned too cause the chat system obviously didn't work... which is why it went back to the old one after 20 minutes... I don't get what your huge problem with that is... stop calling people a liar for no reason at all... Im not saying you where the biggest problem around here but you where more part of it then you where of any solution... just cause you never comprehended the rules and don't understand the concept of being lenient in a time when abuses are few and widespread does not mean there are no rules... so again... if insults vulgarities and arrogance are such a integral part of you personality that you can't express your individuality without them please take them to a place where they are tolerated...

[zex]

My problem with that, as I've said many times, is that I'm fed up with you two trying to impose new limitations on the chat, first was the "only if logged in", then you couldn't even register for the site without we telling you to enable signins, then ipbanning everyone who didn't register, who knows what's next? Maybe you should try "chat only for those with 100 posts or more", or "only for admins", it'd be expected with the number of limitations you tried to impose.

I find kind of funny that you try to criticize my "lack of rules", I admit i'm liberal and thus lenient in those things, but, y'know, the admin group isn't exactly renowned for their total respect of them. I mean, does this ring a bell?

(16:51:07) Luinil: I can, but you are a farting asshole.

(original was uncensored, f'ucking and not farting, and yes, I was the target of that)

It's kind of weird that you accuse me of not knowing and not respecting the rules when the admin team can't either. I'm not one who's bothered for being insulted, but it's sooo ironic that admins are so tight and then can come up with things like this.

Oh, well, double standards are always to be expected, one would think that people like that wouldn't be admins, but anything can happen here....

[Sonix]

fart

I'm at a loss of words.

[El Duderino]

Nobody is perfect here but your continued arrogance is getting real old zex... again... if you need vulgarity and insults to express yourself go find a place that embraces these qualities... as for double standards, we never claimed to be perfect and at least we have standards (even double ) you seem to have none at all... which is a real leadership quality... you had your chance to contribute to how things go here but you did absolutely nothing... no you even insulted people instead and now your complaining about being insulted (talk about double standards)... if that's all you have to bring here please be arrogant and judgmental somewhere else, I can only take your insults for so long...

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