Re: NS Mafia Round 2

[SciFiBoy]

sex

cheese

muffins

scones

pikachu

vote Son1x

[zex]

And how exactly am I ignoring? I admit(ed?) that I just skimmed through his post for the "important words" and thought there were 3 mafias (I always thought its 33%, even used that percentage in my round on VGC).

Vote: Sonix

If you're only gonna skim posts, it ain't really useful, isn't it?

Plus, I still think you slipped up, but even if you didn't, we'd need you as town to search clearly in posts, not skim...

[Sonix]

Rather than skimmed through, it was more the fact that I thought its 33% and when I was writing my post, I automaticly thought of that number.

Well, I'm not regular townie, but I'm not a scum. Its a pretty useless role to be honest.

[Luinil]

There are presumed 2 mafia in this game (unless that is dude did not follow the 25% "rule" - needs further discussion). Presumably there are the other normal roles, doctor and cop.
Lets assume that is all the roles. That is 4 players of the 7 alive have roles.

Ok, here is the skinny. there are 7 players alive. 3 voted for mako, 4 did not.

It is unlikely that the 3 that did vote killed him, because it would be foolish to do so.

The two scum roles will probably be someone that did not vote for mako, which leaves us with 2 of the 4 that did not vote for him.

That leaves the 4, me, zex, sonix, and sci. I am not scum and if sonix partial roleclaim is true, then the suspicion is on zex and sci.

Zex has been contributing, but if he could successfully steer the game, from a position of reason, then he could avoid suspicion. Sci has not been very active in the discussion, and then pops in to vote for sonix (using gibberish logic) only 20ish minutes before zex also votes for sonix for his skimming/mistake.

-- 25% rule --
Now if zex knows who is mafia, since he could be one, he would also know how many there were. If dude started with the 33% that sonix used, then zex could be trying to throw everyone off the scent of the 3rd (assuming it wasn't falcon).

This still makes me suspect Zex and Sci the most. Sonix and pichu are also suspect, but only on a wait and see list.

VOTE: ZEX

[zex]

Sonix's "partial roleclaim" doesn't help us at all, so I don't know why are you using that to base your vote, if he's lying, he's mafia, if he's telling the truth, then his role is useless and the mafia know not to target him and to target other townies with more decisive roles, if anything, it screws up even more the town.

There's no 33% rule, that doesn't exist, Sonix being a terrible moderator that doesn't know the basic rules of setting up a game doesn't make it even a possibility, if Dude screwed up too and made 3 mafia then we'll lose whether we lynch properly or not, so everyone forget about that possibility because it doesn't lead us to anything, it's safer to assume there's 2 mafia and that we have a chance to win than to assume that there'll be 3 and we're already doomed.

And frankly, even with 2 mafia, we still need to get it working and catch a mafia today, and some people here seem dead set in being useless for the town, Sonix with the roleclaim that if it's true only helps the mafia and Scifi with his non-sequitur vote after not contributing anything leading the pack. Of course, I can't prove that I'm not mafia (I'll say that I'm not mafia, in case there's a lie detector, but that's all I can do), but that doesn't excuse the fact that in my pro town role I've been trying to hunt down mafia more than some other people here. Of course, it's up to y'all to trust me or not, but I think it's obvious that as pro town I'm more helpful than someone who goes "muffins, pikachu, vote".

That you vote me for contributing over someone like that is baffling, and so is the fact that you don't notice that the "roleclaim" isn't helping us at all.

[Luinil]

So are you going to point fingers or not? Remember, I don't know all the normal rules, as this is my first game that i have actually played (last round i got killed first night).

I am trying to narrow down the suspect list using common logic based on your arguments before. the cop and doctor could be anybody, but the mafia are almost certainly one of us four. I am not mafia. If you are not mafia, that leaves sonix and sci.

Sci is still in common between you and me. If that is the case, then for now, i will not target you, and go after someone we have in common, someone that doesn't benefit the town. That leaves sci and sonix.

The profiles of the town-
dsis: voted for sci without giving a reason. (voted mako d1)
pichu: Made an error shortly after the day began and hasn't posted since. (voted mako d1) suspicious
j0: Has been trying to help town it seems, but went to defend pichu. (voted mako d1)
sci: asked for a reason for dsis vote, but didn't defend himself. Voted for sonix over sexy muffins. SUSPICIOUS
sonix: thought there would be 3 mafia, "ignored/missed" zex's 25% rule. partial role claim to save himself? suspicious
zex: Provides logic and leadership in town, voted for sonix very closely in time as sci. suspicious
luinil: me. pro-town.
mako: dead.

finally:
unvote

[zex]

The mafia aren't "most certainly" us four, in fact, I'd say that the likelihood of that is pretty low, no one would believe "oh, they tried to lynch a town, they're mafia", so if there was a mafia in those three the Mako killing is pretty much inconsequential. Specially given the fact that votes like pichu were made at the start of the day without even going back. So if anything, there's no reason any of those should be cleared, could as well be both mafia in there, one that voted and one that didn't, or two mafia in the ones that didn't vote for Mako, I think that it's impossible to infer anything concrete from that lynch last day.

Still, we're only going back and forward between us three without anything else, if anything, I suggest questioning other people's motives because it's obvious that we're not going anywhere, so far we got a partial useless roleclaim for Sonix, while I still find him suspicious, I don't think it's possible to get anything else unless more people follow, and that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen.

That said, I'm gonna change the focus a bit

Unvote
Vote: Scifi

Let's see if that gets him contributing something

[Luinil]

While i would like to join you and vote for sci to bring additional pressure, if someone else jumps on as well, that would be 4 votes before he can answer. We want answers before lynching.

SCI EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

[SciFiBoy]

voted for Son1x for the lolz, and to see how people reacted, only interesting thing I guess was that zex followed soon after in voting Son1x, not sure what I can read into that though yet.

anyway, unvote Son1x

and, obviously, im not mafia, far from it.

also, Luinils "zex = provides logic and leadership to the town"

pandering much?

youre either cosying up to him so he doesnt suspect you at any point or you are trying to make him look less suspicious to help him out.

I would like an explenation, as to me that is very suspicious a thing to say in any game.

[Luinil]

He besides myself, is the only one taking charge and providing ideas. j0 and dsis have spoken as well, but not as thoroughly as zex or myself.

You on the other hand have hardly spoken a word and are now being very suspicious of us.

Zex could well be mafia, if you look hard enough, i have "suspicious" next to his name as well. And if you remember, i voted for him. I may still vote for him, but it only seems logical to go for someone that is acting even more strangely than someone providing ideas.

I didn't have any other was of explaining zex at the time. If you think that is pandering, i can't help that. You are simply more suspicious than anyone else at this point, and instead of providing ideas, you said "i voted for the lolz..." and then make a weak attempt to malign me.

BTW. Why did it take you so long to respond? I saw you online for a good 20 minutes if not longer from 3:05pm CDT. surely you read this at that time, and if you did, then you either had no defense and had to come up with this weak deflection or were asking for help from your mafia buddies in coming up with a plan.

Either way you are still not helping the town unless you think i or zex are mafia. I can't speak for zex's role, but at least he is forthright and helping the discussion.

[Luinil]

Strange, scifi gets on the site @ 8:04pm CDT and then posts at the same minute. Either he is very quick at wording a post here and typing it out, or it was a copy/paste job, which is shows forethought and planning in his action.

I don't know quite what to make of that, but it is interesting to note.

[SciFiBoy]

eh?

I was online earlier for like a minute, literally read the post, then I went out, I might have left my browser open I guess, but I didnt think I did.

and the second point makes 0 sense, I got online and then started typing, I didnt copy and paste any of it.

[c03n3nj0]

Uh... we shouldn't try to judge people by the time they take to respond. In the end, they may be doing something else, and then we can't even prove or disprove what they say. The point is that it's a waste of time doing that. *looks at Lui*

[Luinil]

Although i still think it looks odd, i will let it slide from now on.

[c03n3nj0]

noooooooooooooooo!

The thread died!

To get things going:

Scifi, why did you react in a weird way 9almost annoyed-like) when Mako FoSd you in the middle of the joke stage of day 1? I was joking when I Fos'd people for being serious, but you comment stands out...

[El Duderino]

Due to a sudden outbreak of pacifism I'm going to threaten to end the day very soon...

[Luinil]

In the case of the godz of the mafia thread threatening us.

VOTE: SCIFIBOY

Reasons are above. He has not answered any straight forward questions. Even if he is not mafia, he is harming the town...

[dsister]

I'll make a big post by the end of tonight, I promise!

[zex]

I agree with Lui, seems like we can't get any discussion going, lynching the most suspect we have now would be the best idea given a No Lynch wouldn't help us at all.

We'll see what dsis brings

[dsister]

More posts then I thought. It'll be up tomorrow...

Don't end the day Dude!

[SciFiBoy]

*sigh*

this is going nowhere good.

[El Duderino]

tic toc on the clock dsis... TIC TOC...

[Sonix]

Yea SFB, you're really helping.

You're hardly defending yourself and you didn't even answer/respond to j0's post.

vote: SFB

[zex]

I guess no one really cares about playing...what a shame, the first day was actually promising. Now I remember why I stopped playing mafia

[c03n3nj0]

Well, I'm waiting for Scifi and dsister... :/

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